tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post7680153134800400464..comments2024-03-18T19:31:17.803-07:00Comments on @jspepper: Truth versus Blogosphere TruthJeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17859194486093074401noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-84585028961365240112009-01-07T08:16:00.000-08:002009-01-07T08:16:00.000-08:00I think the greatest example of the gaping void be...I think the greatest example of the gaping void between news and blog news is the story about an American airline company who was wrongly blogged about going under. The result: stocks dropped to a quarter the value in one night! Luckily, because of good PR practices, the stocks rebounded the next day once the blog entry was proven false. <BR/>If there's anything we should take from your point (and the above story), Jeremy, it's this:<BR/><BR/>1. Bloggers, now more than ever, have a great deal of influence and responsibility<BR/><BR/>2. Don't take blog entries as your primary, official news sourceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-81658276318995276702008-01-29T02:53:00.000-08:002008-01-29T02:53:00.000-08:00The good and bad thing about blogging is that info...The good and bad thing about blogging is that information is immediate and can spread like wildfire. If you have an urgent message for a specific audience, you're only one click away from distributing the message. Unfortunately there are also times when a blogger, in a hurry to post something hot, ends up not being able to get the whole story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-74596869826297917912008-01-28T02:15:00.000-08:002008-01-28T02:15:00.000-08:00@mark forman - well, the blue hairs would be more ...@mark forman - well, the blue hairs would be more competition to Perez Hilton than me, but yes, truth does seem to be just part of an urban legend online.<BR/><BR/>@don lafferty - yes, there will always be hacks (not the good kind) in every profession. But, that doesn't mean we need to roll over and acquiesce. We should fight and scream and rattle the cages.<BR/><BR/>@ike - yes, never let a good meme get in the way of the truth. Ain't that the truth.<BR/><BR/>@davidtebbutt - sorry, don't remember Adam Osborne, but did the Google search. :) But, you are right about bloggers having MUCH different motives. It goes to my great unwritten post, to be titled "transparency is bullshit." <BR/><BR/>@doug haslam - yes, the MSM might work this way (and if it bleeds, it leads) but I think it's worse in social media because it's more search related, and more dangerous.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Fortune 1000 companies are still learning social media, but as PR bloggers, we should be held up to a higher degree of truthiness. We can observe, but we don't have to sensationalize nor profit. Just my .02, though.<BR/><BR/>It's okay to throw stones at Steve, though. Seriously. <BR/><BR/>@amanda chapel - as have I, though. And, I will admit when I have been wrong (as I did in this post)<BR/><BR/>@gary.goldhammer - LOL, thanks. Us peeps gotta stick together.<BR/><BR/>@collin - I can slam PR bloggers as hard a great Gordie Howe boarding. Because PR bloggers need to be above the board.<BR/><BR/>@kami huyse - I don't say social media or blogging is bad, it's just the shoot first mentality is bad, and it's going to get worse, methinks.<BR/><BR/>@jason falls - yep, glass houses and all that fun stuff. <BR/><BR/>@pr blog guy - I cannot agree with you on the record, but off the record, I am surprised we don't see more astroturfing than we do, and I am sure there's more that we never know about.<BR/><BR/>@jonathan trenn - well, it goes back to trust no one. No source online or offline is ever going to be 100 percent true, but blogs are worse because at least the printed press has corrections. Do blogs? Eh, sometimes. But, it is the viral nature that bothers me the most.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17859194486093074401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-65913645816144388232008-01-23T10:26:00.000-08:002008-01-23T10:26:00.000-08:00Right on Jeremy. I agree with you 100%. I've onc...Right on Jeremy. I agree with you 100%. <BR/><BR/>I've once screwed up too and was corrected by a top communications person from Amazon. And that was after getting my info on TechCrunch.<BR/><BR/>The viral capabilities of the internet couple with the sometimes very strong opinions of bloggers is going to create a lot of problems.<BR/><BR/>And it partially justifies The Cult of the Amateur. <BR/><BR/>Wondering why Collin Douma is feels the need to protect bloggers by saying we can't slam them too hard and then minimizing the problem.Jonathan Trennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07994507862386461800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-92230930897887119062008-01-23T07:20:00.000-08:002008-01-23T07:20:00.000-08:00You would think that some PR practitioners would b...You would think that some PR practitioners would be thankful that there's a news medium out there that report any and everything quickly and without facts, giving their voice more credence when they do come out with their official statement. <BR/><BR/>Nothing works better in PR than discrediting reported informationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-34868972283113136852008-01-19T21:01:00.000-08:002008-01-19T21:01:00.000-08:00Great post as usual, J-Pepp. What the issue boils ...Great post as usual, J-Pepp. What the issue boils down to for me, and I think for you, is that PR folk need to practice themselves what they expect from journalists: Fairness.<BR/><BR/>No (real) journalist would rush to print without fact checking. Why should we be different? Because the publish button works faster than the off-set press? We're better than that. Thanks for reminding us.Jason Fallshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02333524701529681311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-15452377638314571292008-01-17T21:35:00.000-08:002008-01-17T21:35:00.000-08:00Jeremy; I can appreciate this a lot more after my ...Jeremy; I can appreciate this a lot more after my interview with Pat Philbin (of the Fake FEMA press conference fame) last week. There is so much more to "truth" than the one-dimensional view that bloggers give to most subjects. The truth has quite a few more shades of gray.<BR/><BR/>Does that make blogging and bloggers bad? I don't think so. But it does mean that before jumping on a bandwagon, one should apply a bit of critical thinking.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and make a few phone calls too, it is amazing who will talk with you when you just ask.Kami Huysehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13163475642992019069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-84640750199629688652008-01-17T14:02:00.000-08:002008-01-17T14:02:00.000-08:00Thanks for this Post. You raise some great points....Thanks for this Post. You raise some great points. <BR/><BR/>We can't slam bloggers too hard, but I can see how we hit publish a little too quick some times. <BR/><BR/>Thanks again<BR/><BR/>Collin Douma<BR/>Social Media GroupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-69419034954862111772008-01-17T10:22:00.000-08:002008-01-17T10:22:00.000-08:00Jeremy, not sure if I've ever said this about you ...Jeremy, not sure if I've ever said this about you before, at least publicly, but...this was brilliant :-)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032972131824205536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-13896553284557579852008-01-17T09:58:00.000-08:002008-01-17T09:58:00.000-08:00I've only been saying this stuff for two years now...I've only been saying this stuff for two years now.<BR/><BR/>Nice to see that the realities of the Web are coming to light and being taken seriously.<BR/><BR/>- AmandaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-13771194226210852652008-01-17T07:40:00.000-08:002008-01-17T07:40:00.000-08:00Jeremy,I'm not convinced this isn't the way "mains...Jeremy,<BR/><BR/>I'm not convinced this isn't the way "mainstream" media works as well. Hey, I'm a www.dailyhowler.com reader. <BR/><BR/>That doesn't make it right, of course. Blogs have the advantage of more immediate posting of corrections, alternate opinions, etc. Oh yes, and trolls. <BR/><BR/>One point that is raised for me-- if we are judging these from a PR perspective, then the non-response of Ford, or the lack of a quick one-- and the perception that leaves-- is relevant to PR. On the other hand, should PR bloggers be fanning those perceptions or merely observing them? Blurry lines, as we are bloggers too.<BR/><BR/>As PR blogger, we have to be careful, too, that our opinion-making doesn't come to bite us when our clients come under the gun. when the "Wal-Marting Across America" fake blog scnadal happened, where did communications people go? Micropersuaion, because we knew Steve Rubel worked for Wal-Mart's agency, even if he was not on the ccount (I actually don;t even know if he was on the account or not), as well as Richard Edelman's blog. The many days of silence (was it 7? I could be exaggerating due to faulty memory-- making your point, right?) made a lot of us howl, even if Steve was not responsible. I guess an example like that should remind us to throw stones in a more careful manner.Doug Haslamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158443201361799614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-7018496311692459262008-01-16T23:20:00.000-08:002008-01-16T23:20:00.000-08:00Hi Jeremy. Adam Osborne (remember him?) got it rig...Hi Jeremy. Adam Osborne (remember him?) got it right in the mainstream media. He recognised that there were leaders and laggers in journalism so as long as he hit the leaders, they would become the 'truth', from which all other stories cascaded.<BR/><BR/>These leaders were there because, generally, they were good at what they did and could be relied on. And they had their integrity to protect.<BR/><BR/>Good journalists generally have nothing to do with advertising or even care about the business side of publishing (until they find themselves not being paid). They get out there and do what they need to do to serve their readers. <BR/><BR/>In blogging, the leaders might have different motives. Perhaps those who kick off some of the misinformation stories are more directly motivated by advertising, high reader volumes, or both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-21258183908569536132008-01-16T20:46:00.000-08:002008-01-16T20:46:00.000-08:00Don, your father was crazy. The Russians controll...Don, your father was crazy. The Russians controlled the weather well into the 90s, but lost it because of global warming.<BR/><BR/>And Jeremy, brilliant post. Reminds me of the mantra of broadcast news: Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-48104714572112691492008-01-16T20:15:00.000-08:002008-01-16T20:15:00.000-08:00Perhaps it’s time to refresh definitions and job d...Perhaps it’s time to refresh definitions and job descriptions and assign appropriate veracity quotients. <BR/><BR/>PR Professional<BR/>Marketing Professional<BR/>Journalist<BR/>Editor<BR/>Publisher<BR/>Blogger<BR/><BR/>Or perhaps we need to accept that there are hacks in every facet of the game.<BR/><BR/>I seem to have a foggy memory of sitting in front of my grandfather’s black and white TV listening to my dad rant that we couldn’t believe anything on TV until we read it in the newspapers. But he also thought the Russians controlled the weather until the early eighties.Don Laffertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18282373595275515597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-77705868075615096982008-01-16T18:45:00.000-08:002008-01-16T18:45:00.000-08:00So what you're saying is it is good those blue rin...So what you're saying is it is good those blue rinse hair ladies under the drier don't have EVDO wifi under there and don't blog?? :D<BR/><BR/>Ahh truth, the urban legend of the Internet.Mark Formanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16363037708152409835noreply@blogger.com