tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post110611260047735401..comments2024-03-28T13:34:39.165-07:00Comments on @jspepper: Where's the condemnation of the bloggers?Jeremyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17859194486093074401noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-1106196728789934882005-01-19T20:52:00.000-08:002005-01-19T20:52:00.000-08:00Richard, respectfully - I disagree. You can say p...Richard, respectfully - I disagree. You can say period, end of story, all you want. It doesn't change reality.<br /><br />Yes, he had a 'bit' on his blog saying he did 'technical work' for the Demos (with a link to more), but not full disclosure - even if you followed the link. There IS a difference. I'm not slamming Kos, but I do think that the defenses I see of him do not 'fully wash' ... he should have said more.<br /><br />I'm referring to these posts on DailyKos: "Disclosure: I do some technical work for Howard Dean."<br /><br />web.archive.org/web/20030910064832/http://www.dailykos.com/index.html<br />web.archive.org/web/20030810115427/www.dailykos.com/archives/002972.html<br /><br />All from the Wayback Machine Archive.<br /><br />--blockquote--<br />"But for the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities (I have non-disclose agreements to which I must adhere)."<br />--end blockquote--<br /><br />OK, some is proprietary and such ... but to not name the others?<br /><br />"full? disclosure" ???<br /><br />Richard, I do not call that 'full disclosure' at all.<br /><br />A courtesy? You consider telling the 'full truth' a courtesy? That sounds a bit frightening, to me.<br /><br />--blockquote--<br />As a courtesy, I would tell them I am being paid to do work for the Democrats, just as Kos did, but there'd be no need to go further -- and even going that far is, as I said, a courtesy, not a requirement; blogging has no defined rules as of yet.<br />--end blockquote--<br /><br />I think you mistate this, sir. Yes, some bloggers may not have defined rules, but people do. Professionals do. Disclosure - full disclosure - is not only necessary, but required. With Kos refusing to identify all of his clients, he has effectively diluted all comments he makes about anyone -- especially those not known to be paying him. Yes, I know his politics. That's fine. But, after that 'non-disclosure' every thing he says becomes suspect.<br /><br />Can you really defend that?<br /><br />No argument here as to the failings of Williams, Ketchum, PRSA and the US Dept. of Education. But, the rest of your defense is 'wholly' inadequate. It avoids one truly important element - reality.<br /><br />Oh, and one more thing. Unlock the profile, Richard. Anyone can follow my Blogger profile link and determine who I am. Yours is closed. You can't even fully disclose who you are to defend your comments. See, you just diluted your defense by hiding... which is what Kos, Ketchum, the US Dept. of Education and Williams were doing. Do you enjoy being in that company?<br /><br />Richard, I'm a liberal guy. I've never bought into the 'fer us, or agin us' philosophy from any side. I was raised by people that voted for McCarthy - and I don't mean Joe. But I cannot defend this non-disclosure disclosue.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08317050159888690263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-1106194925797272392005-01-19T20:22:00.000-08:002005-01-19T20:22:00.000-08:00While I’m new to the world of blogs, I’m not new t...While I’m new to the world of blogs, I’m not new to media, having worked in PR for more than 15 years, and earned a Masters in Media Management from the New School University in NY, w/ focus in new media. <br /><br />Blogs, like it or not, are media. They disseminate information, albeit in a non-traditional delivery system. Eventually, the rules or contracts (implicit or explicit) of the old media world will permeate the blogosphere, the same happened to online news sites. The better blogs will get the recognition and the ones busted for non-disclosure of corporate or political affiliations will lose credibility and even users., as they will be viewed as a sell out as best or fraudulent at worst. <br /><br /><br />I agree w/ Richard on the disclosure of Armstrong, and your analogy of a lobbyist is also on target. Years ago I did work for a major tobacco company in Florida and I always disclosed that when speaking to media and gov’t officials. I also disclosed that I was a non-smoker and did not allow smoking in my house. Could a spokesperson not be more open about their personal and professional positions vis-à-vis their client. <br /><br />While blogers may not be journalists and not all blogs are news sites, all blogs are media, as they disseminate info for others to read and even comment upon. That is a fact that time will bear out my friend. <br /><br /><br />Alecalecjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18288977571140372955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5540166.post-1106177143359619802005-01-19T15:25:00.000-08:002005-01-19T15:25:00.000-08:00A spokesperson is considered an advocate on behalf...A spokesperson is considered an advocate on behalf of a company (or an entity, as in the Williams case.)<br /><br />Problem is he didn’t come clean. And neither did Ketchum, which for sure should have known better as the PR agency of record and the one doing the hiring. <br /><br />PR professionals, either client-side or agency hacks, we are all paid spokespeople, and it’s implied when we call, e-mail or otherwise pitch media on behalf of the client, that we are doing this as a paid consultant or employee. <br /><br />The same “old media” rules of disclosure should apply to “new media” maybe even more so in the Blogosphere, because of the total transparency of the medium (Look at CBS and Dan Rather-gate). <br /><br />Any company using paid bloggers would be busted, as what happened in the early days of chat rooms and the like with KFC fighting off rumors of Franken-foods or Franken-chicken on chartrooms (Edelman case).<br /><br />Neither the agency or the client identified that they were paid to post chats and it was soon discovered. Lesson here … come clean and if your message is credible, then you may win some hearts and minds, if not stomachs as in KFC’s case. <br /><br />But back to Williams and the role of paid spokespeople. A paid spokesperson is and should remain a viable PR tactic to help get a message out, as long as the person is identified as such. My problem in this case, is the ethics of Ketchum to:<br /><br />a) not ensure full disclosure prior to interviews as a talking head<br />b) post-fact they let their man hang dry<br /> <br />Caveat emptor for PR spokespeople from now on ….<br /><br />Alecalecjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18288977571140372955noreply@blogger.com